Let’s call a spade a spade. And not just a farming implement or even deploy any other nomenclature in describing it. What the world is celebrating today as Nollywood was transformed and given a huge nudge by Okechukwu Ogunjiofor’s chart bursting and record breaking movie, Living in Bondage. This was as far back as 1992.
The iconic father of four who hails from Imo State has gone ahead since then to give us other unforgettable movies like Nneka The Pretty Serpent, Brotherhood of Darkness and Circle of Doom.
His latest, Amina, is simply the talk-of-the-town. It even won a major award (Best Overall Movie Africa) at the last AMVCA, alongside 13 other nominations.
Months back, YES INTERNATIONAL! Magazine Publisher/Editor-in-Chief, AZUH ARINZE, sat down with him for a detailed interview where he chronicled the story of Living in Bondage, like never before, Nollywood itself, Amina and more. Much more. Excerpts…
Okey Ogunjiofor
What the world is celebrating today as Nollywood was triggered by your movie, Living In Bondage, how does this make you feel?
Honestly, I must confess – it makes me feel very little because when you don’t expect anything to happen, and they begin to happen to you, except you are somebody who is bloated with a very big ego, that’s the only time you begin to bask in the euphoria of something you don’t know, because I didn’t set out that it would be this big. I didn’t set out to make it this big to the point that Nollywood would become second in terms of volume of production all over the world. I mean, if anybody had told me in 1992 that this movie would be this big, I would have doubted it. So, when it got this big, the bigger it becomes, the smaller I feel, because it’s just an overwhelming experience for me and then I look at myself, I look at the industry and see how it has turned out and see the impact it is making in Nigeria and all over Africa and then I pinch myself. Sometimes I say ‘am I really this person they’re talking about?’ Of course, when I remember where I’m coming from, I remember in the Bible that they say ‘can anything good come out from Nazareth?’ Oftentimes, honestly speaking, it makes me feel very little. But I thank God for making it possible for a homeboy, somebody from the streets, because I know it’s a story He wants to tell a lot of people out there, who are trying to make a living that there is hope, because if I could make it, I’m sure there’s nobody who cannot make it. Being in the streets for almost four years is not an easy thing, but I thank God for changing my story.
Now, I’ll need you to tell me the story of Living in Bondage; how it came about, the actors you used and any other thing you would like to share with us?
This is going to be a very long story because it’s a never-ending story. First and foremost, I read film. I left school in Jos to come to Lagos to find greener pastures. When we went to school to read film, nobody believed that anything good will come out of it, because it’s not like today where filmmaking, acting or music has become a cash cow. In those days, if you went to read theatre arts, people laughed at you because they felt like it was people who didn’t have the capacity to read sciences or some other courses that read theatre arts and because before that time, no one had really made it big in the field. In fact, when I went to school, one of my father’s best friends asked me what production was? So, when I left that school and I came to Jos, the idea was to be on the television format, but the only big organisation that would have absorbed most of us when we left school was NTA. There was no other broadcast station and there were very, very few filmmaking organisations in Nigeria and that time, NTA had an issue with the government. The issue was government embargo on employment. So, from 1987 to 1990, there was no employment for anybody. What it meant was that most of us who went to school to read film or theatre arts were jobless at that time.
Okey Ogunjiofor
I would like to find out from you, people like Kenneth Okonkwo, Kanayo O. Kanayo, Nnenna Nwabueze, Sydney Diala, Bob Manuel Udokwu and others who acted in the film, how were you able to gather them?
Well, there was some sort of audition. Remember at that time, a film in Igbo language had not been made, so what I did was to go back to the National Theatre (in Iganmu, Lagos) and set out auditions. At the theatre, I told them this was going to be a breakthrough. Nana Rich was one of us. We took him. Wale Macaulay couldn’t join us because he couldn’t speak Igbo. Mind you, there were people on stage who couldn’t speak Igbo too, but we just took the ones that could speak Igbo and the message began to travel, the information began to travel and people began to come for auditions. For example, Kenneth Okonkwo was somewhere and he came from there to join us. Kanayo had featured in a few places like The Masquerade and so on. Same with others.
The huge success that came with the movie was unexpected. How did you cope with the aftermath?
It was a bittersweet type of success and I would say this – sweet and sour, in the sense that this was a guy that was on the street and everybody knew he was a street hawker, squatting in one room somewhere in Ajegunle. Then suddenly, four months along the line, his name was everywhere and it wasn’t everywhere for an ordinary reason. It was because there was a film about the occult that he featured in prominently and so the transformation I was going through physically, a lot of people attributed it to something diabolic. So, now, the majority of the people who could not understand that this was a turnaround brought in by God and that it’s a stage performance and not something real, some of them were actually after my life. One very memorable issue – I was on the street trying to raise money to make a film and I didn’t sign any agreement, because I was looking for a breakthrough and someone was ready to give me the lifeline and he himself who was giving me that didn’t even mention it. I hadn’t done something like that before and the enthusiasm as to what God had given to me was enough to make me forget the minor details of a contract. But there was this assurance. I edited that film day and night for seven days without sleep because my executive producer that time wanted it on a certain date. So, I worked with one editor in the morning and one at night.
I broke down after that. Where I was squatting, my colleagues and my uncles could not now see somebody who had made such success begging for N1,500 because they took me to the hospital and after a weekend, my bill was N1,500. N2,000 was actually my hospital bill. I sent a message to him, at least, from what I ought to earn, but you won’t believe he sent me that money as an IOU. All together, it became N3,500, and that became a problem for us because he started urging me to start the part two. It was while I was writing the part two that I sent for somebody that someone introduced to me. So, he came to do the subtitle for part one. Being a young man who was very impulsive, Kenneth Nnebue was saying we should wait until we finish the part two before he can pay me my entitlements. I almost agreed, but one of his brothers who was handling his account told me that if I didn’t collect my money from this man, that I may not get it and as at this moment, I was not able to enter vehicles freely because this is not just a star! It was a star that was associated with an evil thing. Those days when morals were very high, people could stone you because you were associated with occultism. It was a problem for me getting transport. I was begging this guy to give me money, even if I had to do taxi instead of buses, but he didn’t understand what I explained to him. So, I pulled all the scripts I was writing and locked them in my uncle’s office and I said to him, you’ll give me money, at least for me to rent a one room apartment for myself and do transport. So, foolishly; I’ll say foolishly because maybe if it was today, I’ll still keep at it and wait till whenever the part one is finished and then if we have to now call our ancestors or call our village people to come and beg him to give me my money, because the money was too much and I worked for it. I became too hot tempered and then when I now left him, he gathered the cast and crew and began the part two and they purported to kill Paulo in the film. That’s what happened. Now, while that thing happened, one of the marketers in Onitsha who could not get delivery of products he had ordered over the months walked up to me and said, “I can give you money to make another movie”. He went to the village to look for me and my parents sent the message across to me and I went to Onitsha with Kanayo O. Kanayo. So, he was now doing Circle of Doom with me. Now, because Living in Bondage 2 was in Lagos, I took Circle of Doom to Aba to go and get Gringory Akabogu and Lizzy Ovueme, Jegede Sokoyo and a lot of other people that I brought in then. We went to Aba to make those films, but he was waiting for me to finish part one of Circle of Doom so that the day I will release it, based on the success of Living in Bondage, part 1, he will send me out of the market. So, he was waiting patiently till I finished Circle of Doom. I finished Circle of Doom and then I announced my release date. He announced his release date on the same day, but you see, I am a creative person and God was on my side. So, what I decided to do was to move all my cast and crew and staged a live show at Bolingo Hotels. So, the whole Onitsha came to Bolingo Hotels and I released my film there and it became an instant hit. That’s why it’s been like we were fighting, but it wasn’t a fight.
Okey Ogunjiofor
So, what’s your relationship with Kenneth Nnebue, the sponsor of Living in Bondage now?
For me, my relationship with him is cordial. We don’t meet often, but the few times we met, I greeted him. Even when I published one of those books I showed you, I sent him two copies. Either he feels guilty or he feels threatened, I don’t know, but for me, I know that I have nothing against him anymore. He has done what he did, but because for everything that happens to me, I don’t see a man, I see God. Obviously, if Kenneth had given me, even if it was five million from what we got from that film, I may not be talking to you today. I may have gone, I may have become either too pompous or arrogant or I wouldn’t have known God because it takes the son of God in man to control words. If you have not grown or matured, you cannot control words. I was still young, I was 29. That’s not to say that I’m old now o (laughter). If you’ve not handled money, it doesn’t matter how old you are, the time you begin to handle it, it will show you that it is a sprit. So, the first money I got from Circle of Doom was the money I used to buy a Mercedes Benz, instead of using that money to make another film. So, it’s a story I don’t want to continue telling because sometimes if you tell it, it may make you look stupid or weak.
After Living in Bondage came Circle of Doom, then Nneka The Pretty Serpent. Can you tell us a little about it and also how you discovered the star actor in the film, Ndidi Obi?
By the time I made Circle of Doom, I became popular, I wanted to do another movie, so I met Ndidi Obi. I actually got an office on Enitan Street and Zeb Ejiro’s office used to be at Olufemi Shokan, which is
just a stone throw from mine. I went to his office one day and we were talking about things and I told him I was looking for a story so he said he was going to write a story for me and he did. I did the sequence, outline, I did everything that I could. He wrote that story. So, I had the story, but I was looking for a sponsor, driving in the Mercedes-Benz, remember! So, one day, I drove into Ekenedirichukwu to service my vehicle in Onitsha and I travelled to Onitsha with Kanayo O. Kanayo. So, when I drove into Ekenedirichukwu to service my vehicle, then one other big man entered the place, his name is Okechukwu. He was the managing director of Dike Industries, Dike’s father taught my father those days in school and as such, he happens to be a family friend. And so when Okechukwu saw me at Ekenedirichukwu, he compelled us to go back with him from Onitsha to his office that was in Uli. We went and he treated us to a sumptuous party and dinner and he called all his friends and family and they came and so, we began to talk about making a movie and then I told him we had a script. There and then he told us that he wanted us to make ten films for him in ten years and he was going to put N20 million down, but you know, we didn’t make those films for him because after writing an agreement, a few things happened down the line, which I don’t want to say here. The later end of 1993 to 1994, because of Abiola’s issue, June 12 issue, we got back to Lagos in 1994 and then I now got Gabosky and Chez Key with Collins Onyeze. So, they bankrolled Nneka The Pretty Serpent. As at that moment, Ndidi Obi and Ngozi Ezeonu and another lady, I can’t remember her name now, those were the three ladies that played the big girls in the film.
After Nneka The Pretty Serpent, you shot another controversial movie, that’s talking about Brotherhood of Darkness. Can you tell us one or two things about it, especially the rumour that you were attacking some pastors and they fought back. Did anything like that really happen?
Yes, let me also mention that Nneka The Pretty Serpent, you wrote also, which was true, that after four years, when I was not paid again, we ended up for the first time in the police station. It was the task force, because God had given me some access to the president that time. That was through Abacha’s wife, the first lady, Mrs Mariam Abacha. So, from her office, I got a letter instructing the task office to investigate this matter and because that was when I went to do Amina for them. So, when those things were happening was when they got to know that I was not playing. So, in anger, they wrote that letter, but you know, the task force carried my friends and the story went out and they claimed that they made another film called Battle of Musanga, with the money and that’s why they couldn’t pay me. I was thinking that after that they’ll pay, but they didn’t still pay. But instead, what they gave there was a bounced cheque. I just have to say this because this one has to be on record, not that I finished this story and I’m not going to mention that. So, after that, I made Brotherhood of Darkness and you see, for every film I make, there is an underlying reason why I make them. I don’t tell stories just because I want to make money, I tell stories because there is something I want to predict or something I want to show people. But Living in Bondage, a lot of people knew that you can actually go to God and He frees you and to the glory of God, after that film, a lot of people left the occult. The occult wrote me 13 letters. If you don’t remember, they wrote me 13 letters on how I will die, but I’m still living. So, people who would see me would know that I’m still alive by the grace of Jesus and nothing else. So, when Merit could not shout Jesus and died in the coven, a harlot shouted Jesus and lived. It was a pointer to those who were in the place that you can actually be saved by the name of Jesus and so I achieved that and I moved on. So, for Brotherhood of Darkness, I was in my house one afternoon, it was a Sunday and I was watching a TV broadcast of an evangelist who was just coming up newly. That was in 1995 and then I saw where a man of God was performing miracles and he said prophetically, whether it was staged or not, that someone in that particular audience was a woman who was married, but was sleeping around and she was pregnant and the child she was carrying does not belong to her husband and if she didn’t come out, she will die. And the whole place was geez! Nobody was making any sound and true to what he said, a woman rose up and was begging and came out and the whole church began to beg the man of God and in an attempt to have mercy on the woman, this man of God brought the woman to the centre stage of the podium and stretched a hand towards her protruding belly and was doing all those signs in the air as if he was pleasing the baby, and after a few minutes of incantations and prayers, he just told the usher to take the woman to the bathroom and by the time she came out, it was jubilation that she just had a miscarriage. I couldn’t stand it. Immediately, my spirit said to me, a sacrifice of an unborn child had been performed. Which woman would surrender her baby for sacrifice? It’s a very costly one if you even think about, so my mind began to fire. As a filmmaker, my spirit was boiling, the scripture took me immediately to 2nd Corinthians 11, from 13 to 15 where He said, “We should not mind these people because even Satan himself must credit himself as an angel of light”. Therefore we cannot look at this man because they too can also masquerade themselves as the apostles of righteousness. You know I’m paraphrasing it, so that became the theme of what I was going to make a film on.